time for the vasari enemy to show itself.

on Apr 16, 2011

a110

the defeat and exile of the vasari was nothing more than a staged social experiment to discover how isolation and then exile from the empire would affect a vasari colony. the mysterious enemy is a small imperial research detachment destroying their beacons and monitoring their progress from afar.

I've always said the only truly mentally ill people are in fact - psychologists.

You win, sir, you win.

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Kitkun

on Apr 17, 2011

OriLord

reply 27

I love this idea.Their own ships becoming sentinent kinda like in Event Horizon. Maybe the dark fleet is chasing the vasari,that could be very ironic.

I actually really like this idea. First idea I've liked so far.

a110

reply 30

the defeat and exile of the vasari was nothing more than a staged social experiment to discover how isolation and then exile from the empire would affect a vasari colony. the mysterious enemy is a small imperial research detachment destroying their beacons and monitoring their progress from afar.

Points for the funny one, though.

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Ludovsky

on Apr 17, 2011

Re: Regarding the Vasari enemy.

I don't know what it could be.... but I do believe the instruction booklets actually gave us an hint in a structure shared by all races:

Phase inhibitors stations.

The Advent? Copied the stations from the TEC after capturing some.

The first TEC Phase Inhibitors? Clearly stated to have been reverse engineered from captured Vasari Inhibitors.

And how did the Vasari create the Phase Inhibitors? Here's the catch explained in the booklet.

They didn't.

The Vasari simply "found" them around in space. Once they figured their uses, they did begin to repurpose them, but even they didn't fully understant how to manually replicate the technology so used their advanced nanite techs to just reproduces the stations as perfect copies of the original.

But still... they didn't create it. And nor did -any- of the two other races who only captured them from each others.

So whatever IS chasing the Vasari, I bet is linked to whoever -first- made the phase inhibitor technology in the first place.

Think about it: Whole systems, disapearing without a trace with almost, nay, with NO ONE making it back to say what happened, except a -single- ship whose crew was rendered mad with terror after the rest of their whole dark fleet similarly was defeated/disapeared. And a technology -purposely- made to -prevent- someone from properly leaving a gravity well(or at least, slowing down their attempt)... of which no one know who is the original creator.

Start to get my drift?

These inhibitors where already there when the Vasari found them, unperturbed relics of an ancient time, of a forgotten creator.

My guess is, whatever the Vasari did, maybe related to that Kron Vasari Lab in the original video "1000 years ago", is that it woke up whatever race made these things in the first places and got to stare at it. And it stared back as it decided to take it's rightful place again. Probably annihilating anything in it's site, Reapers like actually though not neccessarily living space ships of doom either.

Also, judging by descriptions of systems just "blipping out" and losing all communication, I assume if this enemy is ever made into a race it will also have major communication jamming technology, maybe as a major weapon of it's own. The kind of thing where when it attack one of your system, it suddenly jam -all- communication. Your units will still be there. They'll still be fighting, trying to do everything they can to survive... but you'll be unable to give them order. Or even to -see- what is happening as everything becomes "dark"... and as the race spread, you'll thus be only able to see more and more systems just purely "blipping out" on the sector map, which should just literally give an idea of what the Vasari dealt with.

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Sinperium

on Apr 17, 2011

Well, I have always thought the Vasari were a little inhibited...

I really like danilelost/OriLord's neat angle that the Dark Fleet is chasing the Vasari.

PBHead points to the grey goo which could be considered canon from the intro movie

Adding my own idea the artificial intelligence which in turn is possessed by or in league with a near-demonic evil from another dimension (as a result of the Vasari gravitic and phase experiments) gives us a twist that combines some great scifi ideas and symbolism and gives nod to several classic scfi stories.

Also, the angle that its not just an AI that has taken over the Dark Fleet and seeks to hunt down and infect all Vasari--but that something truly evil..bordering on the supernatural in its extra-dimensional alieness, gives us a place for the Advent to be in play as well. Who else would be motivated to stop an evil intelligence trying to prowl the universe? And the psionic angle could come into play here too...maybe its the reason why the Advent focused there.

Darn fine scifi film we got going here if you ask me and it all nicely fits within the Sins universe.

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danielost

on Apr 17, 2011

yes but will we get credit for the ideas. besides i have changed my mind i think it is just frogboy on one of his rants.

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Sinperium

on Apr 17, 2011

They can call us developers now---muwahahahahaha!

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CaptainSvensgaard

on Apr 17, 2011

Annatar11

reply 25

Guys, guys. The stuff chasing the Vasari are obviously Reapers.

More like Shivans!

Reapers don't have anything on the Shivans, they were the original "OH SH**" badass invading alien race.

Reapers have some damn big shoes to fill if they ever want to scare me the way the Shivans did.

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Gwenio1

on Apr 17, 2011

CaptainSvensgaard

reply 37

Quoting Annatar11, reply 25Guys, guys. The stuff chasing the Vasari are obviously Reapers.

More like Shivans!

Reapers don't have anything on the Shivans, they were the original "OH SH**" badass invading alien race.

Reapers have some damn big shoes to fill if they ever want to scare me the way the Shivans did.

Suul'ka.

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CaptainSvensgaard

on Apr 17, 2011

Gwenio1

reply 38

Quoting CaptainSvensgaard, reply 37Quoting Annatar11, reply 25Guys, guys. The stuff chasing the Vasari are obviously Reapers.

More like Shivans!

Reapers don't have anything on the Shivans, they were the original "OH SH**" badass invading alien race.

Reapers have some damn big shoes to fill if they ever want to scare me the way the Shivans did.

Suul'ka.

Haha, there's another definite possibility. Can't wait to see what those guys look like either.

It's gonna be a good year for epic space battle game fans, methinks!

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gikane

on Apr 27, 2011

It is not an enemy... some crazy guy inside the Vasari homeworld created super potent drug,

and everyone is sooooooo high that no one bothers to communicate with other Vasari planets.

Armada? They all went high too. And only one ship arrived with bad condition because basically

they are too high to drive it properly.

Drugs spreading all over the universe is why Vasari beacons keep turning off.

Edit: Okay, that was a joke but I think it could be somekind of contagion, not something one can

shoot at.

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danielost

on Apr 27, 2011

Ludovsky

reply 33

Re: Regarding the Vasari enemy.

I don't know what it could be.... but I do believe the instruction booklets actually gave us an hint in a structure shared by all races:

Phase inhibitors stations.

The Advent? Copied the stations from the TEC after capturing some.

The first TEC Phase Inhibitors? Clearly stated to have been reverse engineered from captured Vasari Inhibitors.

And how did the Vasari create the Phase Inhibitors? Here's the catch explained in the booklet.

They didn't.

The Vasari simply "found" them around in space. Once they figured their uses, they did begin to repurpose them, but even they didn't fully understant how to manually replicate the technology so used their advanced nanite techs to just reproduces the stations as perfect copies of the original.

But still... they didn't create it. And nor did -any- of the two other races who only captured them from each others.

So whatever IS chasing the Vasari, I bet is linked to whoever -first- made the phase inhibitor technology in the first place.

Think about it: Whole systems, disapearing without a trace with almost, nay, with NO ONE making it back to say what happened, except a -single- ship whose crew was rendered mad with terror after the rest of their whole dark fleet similarly was defeated/disapeared. And a technology -purposely- made to -prevent- someone from properly leaving a gravity well(or at least, slowing down their attempt)... of which no one know who is the original creator.

Start to get my drift?

These inhibitors where already there when the Vasari found them, unperturbed relics of an ancient time, of a forgotten creator.

My guess is, whatever the Vasari did, maybe related to that Kron Vasari Lab in the original video "1000 years ago", is that it woke up whatever race made these things in the first places and got to stare at it. And it stared back as it decided to take it's rightful place again. Probably annihilating anything in it's site, Reapers like actually though not neccessarily living space ships of doom either.

Also, judging by descriptions of systems just "blipping out" and losing all communication, I assume if this enemy is ever made into a race it will also have major communication jamming technology, maybe as a major weapon of it's own. The kind of thing where when it attack one of your system, it suddenly jam -all- communication. Your units will still be there. They'll still be fighting, trying to do everything they can to survive... but you'll be unable to give them order. Or even to -see- what is happening as everything becomes "dark"... and as the race spread, you'll thus be only able to see more and more systems just purely "blipping out" on the sector map, which should just literally give an idea of what the Vasari dealt with.

after reading this one. maybe who ever made the inhibiters are using them to funnel the vasari right through tec space.

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krikit386

on Apr 28, 2011

Sinperium

reply 5

Look at the Vasari tech effects in a late game--they have incredible power and that's their "mobile forces" on the run. In the day, their empire must have been epic.

Now look at the primary areas where they focus tech:

Gravity/Phase Manipulation
Genetic Modification/Augumentation
Highly Developed Multiple Purpose Nanites

Then you look at the game title and premise, "Sins". So the question is, "What is the sin of the Vasari that unleashed such judgment on them and who did they sin against and what enemy has it brought to them?".

If their technological power caused their dilemma, I think the gravitic/phase specialization points to a real possibility of a breach in their universe to "something else". Maybe they opened a hellgate , summoned Cthulhu or transgressed into the domain of godlike beings or perhaps it is something they did to themselves...think of what a Vasari "Umbrella Corp" could do. Maybe Milla is after them It could be they opened a portal to another universe or dimension adjacent to phase space or on the other side of a wormhole, modified themselves augmented with nanites to survive there and tried to expand their conquest there--only then to find things weren't simply a matter of mere arms and force and that they didn't just go in but let something out that they can't put back.

But I personally don't think its simply that they found as technologically more advanced race and are fleeing it. I think it is something that absolutely terrifies them for their very existence.

The one thing that could do that for sure would be something that can twist the very nature of reality and turn their universe into a living hell.

If you saw in the last Battlestar Galactica series, when it was revealed that "god" was behind human and cylon creation, the more atheistic cylon simply couldn't deal on that level and then blew his brains out.

I think the Vasari did not find another race simply "more technologically advanced" than themselves--I think they found one so fundamentally different and alien and powerful that it shook their confidence and reality.

So it has to be space ponies.

But in defense of Event Horizon--how would you react if not only did a ship come back after 50 years and the recovery crew went mad but then you discovered the original crew was still alive and would never die suffering horrible torment and the thing that had them was now going to rule your universe too.

Holy crap! You thought THAT much into it!!!???

Anywho, for some reason, I read it. You're post seems like it would be pretty accurate. Especially those space ponies....god. how I hate those space ponies.

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danielost

on Apr 28, 2011

Sinperium

reply 29

like the idea that it's the Dark Fleet chasing them. Nice touch--and works with my grey goo scenario too. Makes sense why you can get dark fleet remnants as help in game--only the ones who escaped.

now we know why the vasari enemy keeps catching up to them and why the enemy is able to hunt them down. because the vasari dont know that the black fleet has gone bad, and keep calling them in to help.

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Sinperium

on Apr 28, 2011

Think? I don't think...it's thevisions in my head. They tell me things...bad things. Yessssssss.

(that and rabidly reading scifi since I was six years old)

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TEC_commander

on May 04, 2011

well i think that since the Vasari are focused on genetic augumentation even before they left there empire for good i think that since they controlled most of their galaxy of origen they thought that they could take the genetic mateirial of all the races they subjugated and tried to combine the best of the genetic make up of those races to their own in order to make a super Vasari unite touse as a common blue print for their entire race. but due to something the super Vasari when nuts and began to mulyiply and whiped out one of the inner colonies of the Vasari empire. Now at about this time the race that had left all those phase inhibitors lting around (i mean come on what are the chances of just finding one floating through space and it just so happens to float into your territory ) decided that they have let the Vasari reach the point of tecnological developent and move in and begin wiping them out and taking their tec and itergrating it with their own. however they were compleatly off guard by the uncharacteristic move by the Vasari to leave and run as far as they can. caught with their pants down they had to hurredly make chace and have been pursuing them ever since.

also my thoughts are if they make a sins 2 then they will have them come into the open and my gues is that it will be an intergalactic S*** fest when they come screaming into tracer space and go on a rampage