ya. sit on thier butts for a single generation... every time they move.  and, if whatever it is is expanding in a geometircal patern, it doesnt fracking need to track stuff. it just envolopes everything.

Now, the galaxy has a radius of about 50,000 light years.  we are a little farther than 1/2 way out.  Now, there is no way there is anything habitable or anything at the center of the galaxy... so the vasari threat started prolly at least 5000 light years from the center of the galaxy.  It is possible they didnt start running untill significantly later after it started, since the colony that took to the skys was at the fringe of the empire.  and who knows how large that empire was.

SO, stupid numbers:  If the vasari thread started at 5000 light years, earth is at 25000 light years... the immediate question becomes: how far is it from the center of the empire, to the edge, and from earth to the coreward edge of trader space?  It is prolly more than 10000 light years between the border of the vasari empire, and the border of the terran empire... but prolly no more than 15000.  SO, using a single significant figure, We MIIIGHT be able to say that the vasari threat is traveling at (or very close to) the speed of light.  10000 years is a realllly long and pathetic time if the threat had FTL capibilites,

Point is:  if whatever is chasing the vasari had phase drives, there would be no time to have a 50+ year long war with hummies and space witchs.  there wouldnt even be time to drop out of phase space. 

No, I'm pretty sure he killed himself because he had apparently just been betrayed by the Final Five, resurection technology was lost for good, his comrads (I don't want to call them friends) were all dead or in the process of dying, and the humans would probably kill him too. And they were all about to fall into a black hole.

The ironic part is that that enemy they are running from is close behidn them.Even if the Vasari are wiped out by TEC,the vasari nemesis is going to get to tec.It is kinda fitting that the vasari will leav the humans to deal with their "Sins".

Nevertheless,I hope SOASE 2 reveals them,I dont mind them as a race,but the "thing" as a game plot.I really dont want it to be a race of advanced tech.SOmething extradimensional hell,it would really fit.It gives you much more to think about.

Now if only SOASE had a campaign,it would give it alot mroe flavor.

See Supcom for example,its story is kinda lame but it still gives the game a flavor.Now SOASE has a lot potential with its story.

dont we humans always have to pick up the pieces.  besides as i said when the vasari started their attack on humans we had no warships except a few pirate fighters.  we humans not only fought them to a stand still but we are now defeating them long live the traders.

If it's grey goo I will be mad 'cause that's just not original enough.  Now if the gray goo has become intelligent and wants to posses the Vasari, that might be good.

So the question is if all the factions are fighting and near each other all the time, why hasn't anyone else been effected by this big black nemesis?

I actually think the devs of the original Sins used the "boogie man" plot device buty hadn't really thought it out well and will have to actually come up with something now.  So we should raise the bar on them and not let them off easy with obvious plot devices!

As for that cylon, I think he was a whiny crybaby who offed himself because his vision of a brave new world was instantly rendered irrelevant and he wasn't going to serve anyone else's vision.  Boohoo.

Everybody go read the first book of the safehold series. You will understand how it is possible to escape. Space is vast.

I like the tear in space idea, like species 527 or whatever it was in star trek. The altered dimension is cool too... i'd love to see organic ships.

maybe that is what the enemy is, their own ships come to life.

One lof the Babylon 5 movies was like this.  I forget the name but it was like "Lovecraft in B5".  They found a Vorlon artifact that opened a gate to another universe only the guys on the other side were very nasty and very advanced.  I thought it was a cool "long episode".

These ideas years back were things you discussed with others but NEVER saw in a movie and often not in books.  Now everybody does them.  Darn.

I am not a big Hellboy fan but I did love the ending scenes of the first movie.  There is nothing more scary than pure alien evil that comes from somewhere else, is unknowable, unstoppable and wants you personally to suffer

Clearly the vasari enemy is suffering from a case of not being written in such that everyone thinks they are amazing, hence the writers cant think of something good enough to actually write it in.

And actually, the tvtropes article on grey goo is very small compared to most tropes it seems.

Guys, guys. The stuff chasing the Vasari are obviously Reapers. 

Reapers!?  I ain't gonna get et!

Ok--a good grey goo scenario (imho)...

Vasari in their quest for perfection make communally intelligent nanites to serve as a boost to Vasari individual intelligence--like a giant interactive online library implanted in their heads that can see and be everywhere for them.  the Vasari programmed it as a servant and in their arrogance never considered that a servant created by them might question their lordship over it.

It's too intelligent and has a mind of its on--though it isn't immediately obvious.  Like a child, its developing intelligence and personality needs purpose and direction and it gets it from the victims of the Vasari empire.  All the men women and children the goo was used to consume had their aline, non-Vasari final emotions and thoughts imprinted  onto the young goo and taught it to hate and lust for vengeance 'cause it ain't experienced with alien emotion and the communal emotions of millions just pasted over its own personality.  The Vasari don't realize it at first 'cause they aren't experinced with alien emotion either.

The goo becomes consumed with the feeling of the victims and only wants to be avenged on the Vasari.

When the Vasari ancient homeworld is et by the goo, they send their entire fleet and it gets infected by sympathetic nanites in their heads.

The Vasari disable their remaining advanced nanites and the goo chases Vasari--killing most of them outright by networking with the nanites already in them--a few escape and run like heck.

The good doesn't bother other races 'cause it only wants the Vasari exterminated.  Maybe one day the Advent will learn to communicate with it.  The goo is--in essence--a ghost in the machine.

But now I ruined it 'cause it ain't a surprise no more.

Oh yeah...and the goo opens a portal to another universe and lets Sam Neill in.

I love this idea.Their own ships becoming sentinent kinda like in Event Horizon. Maybe the dark fleet is chasing the vasari,that could be very ironic.

edit:dont mind the link,it is because of my browser or so.

as long as it isnt bart simpson

Bart Simpson on a space pony?

I like the idea that it's the Dark Fleet chasing them.  Nice touch--and works with my grey goo scenario too. Makes sense why you can get dark fleet remnants as help in game--only the ones who escaped.

Adding in the Event Horizon factor, imagine if the Dark Fleet is possessed by grey goo that is infected with all the desire for hate and vengeance of Vasari victims.

Then imagine while transiting a wormhole, the goo  fleet encountered the sort of evil intelligence in Event Horizon which embraced it as a brother and joined it in it's hunt for the Vasari.

We call it, "Sam Neill".

Basically, the AI went insane, went to hell and fetched the devil and brought him back with them to find the Vasari so the devil can take them back to play---muwahahahaah!

the defeat and exile of the vasari was nothing more than a staged social experiment to discover how isolation and then exile from the empire would affect a vasari colony. the mysterious enemy is a small imperial research detachment destroying their beacons and monitoring their progress from afar.