Published on December 15, 2007 By danielost In Current Events
the federal government's job is to do three things.


1 provide education for the nation. ie pay the teachers.

2 provide for the safety of the people.

3 represent the people in international affairs.

that's it nothing more.

under education falls

nasa would fall because without research there isn't anything to teach.


under public safety falls

the military.

the federal highways. specifically the interstate which was designed and built for the rapid deployment of the military if the country should be invaded.


under representing us

1 sign trade treaties such as nafta.

2 declare war such as iraq. no matter what you call it when you authorize use of military force it is a war.

3 peace treaties.


and to pay for all of this they have a right to tax.



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on Dec 17, 2007
i didn't finish high school


i do have now two geds and a high school diploma


and a cert. in accounting. not that i have been able to use it.


I commend you for going back and finishing when you could have decided it wasn't worth it.
on Dec 17, 2007

They're all the same, why do you have three? And if really you do, my point has been proven, if you're what passes as a 'graduate' (no matter HOW that diploma was earned) our entire educational system is a joke.




no little whip you are the joke.
on Dec 17, 2007
OK i will rephrase this


the job of the federal government is


defense of the country.


the job of the federal government should also include eduction all the way up to graduate school.


meaning education should be free to the citizens of the united states. this would allow more people to get phds. that being said. the federal government should not pay room and board for these students.


we would recoup the expense of the cost of this education in the higher taxes earned off of their higher income through out their lives.


these are the two most important things in this country or this world in my opinion


however the only mandatory part of education should be reading riting and rithmetic
on Dec 17, 2007
meaning education should be free to the citizens of the united states. this would allow more people to get phds. that being said. the federal government should not pay room and board for these students.


I disagree on this, danielost.

I have had to work my butt off for what I have. This makes me far more appreciative for what I've received. I've seen firsthand students going to college on "daddy's money". They don't show up in class, they're lazy and unmotivated, with very few exceptions. The harder something is, it seems, the harder people work for it.

What little postsecondary education I have had has not come easily, nor should it have.
on Dec 17, 2007
I have had to work my butt off for what I have. This makes me far more appreciative for what I've received. I've seen firsthand students going to college on "daddy's money". They don't show up in class, they're lazy and unmotivated, with very few exceptions. The harder something is, it seems, the harder people work for it.




don't be like gene read all of it.
on Dec 17, 2007
the way we do it now. doctors end up being in debt their whole life trying to pay off their student loans.


there are those who will never be able to go to college if they wanted to. like me.
on Dec 17, 2007
there are those who will never be able to go to college if they wanted to. like me.


No, you could go, danielost. If I can have six kids and go back, I assure you you can go.

My point was, and is, that if the government pays for your schooling, ity removes the incentive. I agree that education is a better use of government money than welfare is, but I disagree that college should be free all the way through. Are you aware how easy it would be to remain a professional student the rest of your life? I know one individual who has been working five years on a two year degree and refuses to get a real job because he gets enough extra money for going to school to tide him over. Real life examples, danielost.

As for yourself, if you don't like the way your life is, change it. I assure you, there's more than ample opportunity for someone who is willing to work their butt off to make a change. I have spent the last year and a half working one full time job, one part time job, and carrying a full time school course load. I ran one political campaign during that time, I directed a play, and I worked with various civi groups in the community. Frankly, if I can do it, I'm sure you could manage to add 3-6 credits a semester to your load to continue working towards an education.
on Dec 17, 2007
My point was, and is, that if the government pays for your schooling, ity removes the incentive. I agree that education is a better use of government money than welfare is, but I disagree that college should be free all the way through. Are you aware how easy it would be to remain a professional student the rest of your life? I know one individual who has been working five years on a two year degree and refuses to get a real job because he gets enough extra money for going to school to tide him over. Real life examples, danielost.




as has been discussed on here on many threads there will be people like this no matter what.

but you empower people by educating them and you disempower people by handing them money.

and as i have said on here they would still have to get the money for room and board while in school.

and i would probable have still been a cab driver because i was hiding and still am.
on Dec 17, 2007
As for yourself, if you don't like the way your life is, change it. I assure you, there's more than ample opportunity for someone who is willing to work their butt off to make a change. I have spent the last year and a half working one full time job, one part time job, and carrying a full time school course load. I ran one political campaign during that time, I directed a play, and I worked with various civi groups in the community. Frankly, if I can do it, I'm sure you could manage to add 3-6 credits a semester to your load to continue working towards an education.



i have tried to go back to work.

and the same thing keeps stopping me

and would stop me the moment i did anything other than what i do do.

that is my dad. he wants me around 24/7 in case he wants to go buy another 5 cases of soda.
on Dec 17, 2007
danielost,

I'm trying to be constructive in saying this. You are an adult. You can love your dad, and honor him, but still be your own person. If you want your life to be better, YOU'RE going to have to do it. The government won't hold your hand, and nobody can make you do it, but ultimately you need to decide what is important. If you're not happy, it is up to you to change it.

I started out with ALL the strikes against me, danielost. I got by with a lot of help from my friends, but truth be told, if anyone had an excuse to lie down and quit, I do. But I owe myself better, I owe my family better.

If you want lower taxes, if you want a government that's not bordering on a nanny state, you need to realize that you can't have the government cater to your every whim. The sad state of some of our public schools occurs BECAUSE of the governmental education monopoly, not in spite of it.
on Dec 17, 2007
If you want lower taxes, if you want a government that's not bordering on a nanny state, you need to realize that you can't have the government cater to your every whim. The sad state of some of our public schools occurs BECAUSE of the governmental education monopoly, not in spite of it.


i know this
on Dec 17, 2007
I started out with ALL the strikes against me, danielost. I got by with a lot of help from my friends, but truth be told, if anyone had an excuse to lie down and quit, I do. But I owe myself better, I owe my family better.


no friends.

i died 20 years ago.

i tried to revive for 5 years but she decided drugs were more important.


i am not concerned about it no more.


my biggest mistake in life was coming here to help my dad. i knew it the day i decided to do it. that was 4 years ago.
on Dec 18, 2007
Daniel, I was going to write a response that had a lot to do with why the government paying for school isn't such a good idea, but because of your last few comments, I decided it wasn't really the point of your article.

Your situation has nothing to do with education. It has everything to do with the fact that you don't like the place your own choices have brought you. All the government sponsored education in the world won't get you out from under your own self destructive actions.
on Dec 18, 2007
Daniel, I was going to write a response that had a lot to do with why the government paying for school isn't such a good idea, but because of your last few comments, I decided it wasn't really the point of your article.

Your situation has nothing to do with education. It has everything to do with the fact that you don't like the place your own choices have brought you. All the government sponsored education in the world won't get you out from under your own self destructive actions.




then you missed my point.


everyone on here wants us to empower people. the best way to empower anyone is through education.

on Dec 18, 2007
True, but that doesn't mean it is a good idea for the federal government to pay for it. It's a good idea for everyone to have life insurance, snow tires (in snowy areas) and to own their own homes... are you going to advocate the government spring for these too?
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