here is what a palestinian is

Published on July 7, 2007 By danielost In Politics

The History and Meaning of "Palestine" and "Palestinians"
A Time To Speak [Website]

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us?
The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity." — Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995

Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. — from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . . — Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975

ie there is no such thing as a real palestinian

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Comments (Page 1)

danielost

on Jul 07, 2007

the british called the jews living there before ww2 palestinians

same link as above

Who Is A Palestinian?

During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II.

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Jews who might have developed the empty lands of 'Palestine' ... instead died in the gas chambers of Europe

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British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed — after the rise of Nazi power in Europe. Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land.

danielost

on Jul 07, 2007

this one is dictator gene

By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves.

danielost

on Jul 07, 2007

some more for the dictator

Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded. Ahmed Shukairy, who less than 10 years earlier had denied the existence of Palestine, was its first chairman. Its charter proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967.

The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.

as i have said you cannot give the bully your lunch money becouse tomorrow he will want your car keys

cactoblasta

on Jul 08, 2007

Wikipedia would suggest Golda was wrong -

In the 5th century BCE, Herodotus wrote in Greek of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinêi

In any case it doesn't matter. There was no such thing as an American until the 13 states united. There were no such thing as Australians until the 7 colonies united. There was no such thing as Britain until England was joined by Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

All nationalities have to start somewhere. Palestine started in the 20th century and, in true nationalist fashion, followed the great tradition of using an imagined past to shape it around.

I guess my real comment is, why are you even bothering to bring this up? There is nothing either unusual or even interesting about the roots of Palestinian nationalism.

danielost

on Jul 08, 2007

read the third post

before there were any settlements in Gaza or the west bank

before the Palestinians were called Palestinians. Israel offered them those two pieces of land.

cactoblasta

on Jul 08, 2007

before the Palestinians were called Palestinians. Israel offered them those two pieces of land.

And the surrounding Arab states decided they wanted it all for themselves. We all know that. Why is that relevant to Palestinian nationality?

danielost

on Jul 08, 2007

becouse that is still what they want.

as i have said on other posts isreal is defending itself

and seeing as we(the usa) is part of the tribes of isreal. I guess we need to defend our brothern in the so called holy land.

cactoblasta

on Jul 08, 2007

becouse that is still what they want.

The other Arab states? So? What does that have to do with the Palestinians? You're really not making yourself clear here. Why should the independence of Palestine necessarily involve Egypt, Syria Lebanon et al?

as i have said on other posts isreal is defending itself

Sure, but I don't think the Arab states have become any stronger recently. Israel is still the only significant regional military power. They don't need to face constant internal attack from disaffected Palestinian youths just to maintain what most call Palestine as a buffer against the Arab states (if you look at the map it's not a particularly well-placed buffer anyway).

and seeing as we(the usa) is part of the tribes of isreal. I guess we need to defend our brothern in the so called holy land.

Huh?!?!? Most US citizens, if we take it back to biblical times, are of Germanic, Celtic or Caucasian descent. The Israelites were Semites. Completely different social, cultural and linguistic groups with practically nothing in common, least of all religion.

danielost

on Jul 08, 2007

the Israelites disappeared in the caucus mountains at the same time that the German tribes came out of the caucus mountains.

i am not saying that the Germanic tribes are the lost ten tribes. I am suggesting tho that the Germanic tribes are a fragment of the lost ten tribes. IE the ones who couldn't/wouldn't make the trip with the rest of the Israelites.

i posted this mostly because the dictator gene has been saying that Israel needs to stop defending itself from attack, and just give in to the demands of the Palestinians and the rest of the Arabs.

What he doesn't understand is that the demands of the Arabs is the death of the Jews period.

shadesofgrey

on Jul 08, 2007

I'm glad cacto took the time to try to reason with you becuase I wouldn't have the patience.

Clearly you've never been to Palestine if you think there is no Palestinian culture.

Gideon MacLeish

on Jul 08, 2007

The ten lost tribes of Israel are a myth, danielost. A VERY widespread one, but a myth nonetheless. I would try to explain it here, but someone who doesn't even believe in the veracity of the text of the second amendment isn't one to be reasoned with.

But I DID want my objection stated on the record!

danielost

on Jul 08, 2007

if the lost ten tribes is a myth then where do you suppose those three people who are still alive from Christs time is living

Gideon MacLeish

on Jul 08, 2007

I would try to explain it here, but someone who doesn't even believe in the veracity of the text of the second amendment isn't one to be reasoned with.

danielost

on Jul 08, 2007

i would try to explain it here, but someone who doesn't even believe in the veracity of the text of the second amendment isn't one to be reasoned with.

so when you can't make a point against me this is going to be a fall back point.

my point is the Palestinians are the bullies. they are the only ones in this conflict to purposely target an elementary school.

they are the ones hiding behind non combatants so that idiots like you and gene will be mad at the Jews for killing women and children. where is your anger about them attacking schools. for sending bombs on sticks not caring where they land. for targeting Americans.

where is your anger that they have used every dollar we sent them to buy weapons to attack someone else with. Israel spends a lot of the money we send for defense.

Gideon MacLeish

on Jul 08, 2007

I would try to explain it here, but someone who doesn't even believe in the veracity of the text of the second amendment isn't one to be reasoned with

I'm done dealing with you, danielost. You can't be reasoned with, and you make idiotic comments like that last post. You don't KNOW what angers me, danielost...there are some issues where I don't wear my emotions on my sleeve.

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